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alien con is back Lanting June 15th

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through the 17th 2018 at the Pasadena

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Convention Center join us to explore the

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unexplained mysteries of the universe

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remove all the false information

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including the expert panels and

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autograph settings with Giorgio

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tsoukalos special guest Erich von

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däniken and all your favorite ancient

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aliens contributors I'm getting goose

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bumps just thinking about it

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alien Con June 15 through 17 get tickets

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now at the alien Con calm this is

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somewhere in the skies the Branzburg

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague before we get to

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this week's interview the ad you just

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heard for alien con comes with much

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excitement because I'll be speaking at

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the event on Sunday June 17th at 3 p.m.

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with very special guests in all facets

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of UFO research ancient alien theory

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sci-fi and everything in between this

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three-day convention

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taking place on June 15th 16th and 17th

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brings together a wide variety of people

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from all over the world to have a great

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time and ask questions about UFOs

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ancient aliens and aliens and UFOs in

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pop culture I'll be giving a talk titled

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a human approach to an alien phenomenon

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inspired by my book speaking of the book

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I'll be selling and signing books

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alongside past guest filmmaker and

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newfound UFO researcher Dean Alioto so

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be sure to stop by and say hello I'll

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also be doing Facebook live events

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on-site interviews with speakers and

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insider access to some of the panel's

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taking place for more information on

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speakers panels and special events

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throughout the weekend and to purchase

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tickets visit the alien Kong comm when I

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first launched the podcast I wasn't sure

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how it was all gonna go obviously who

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would want to hear a podcast about UFOs

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on a weekly basis I decided to give it a

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try but knew I had to get a guest that

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would really up the stakes and bring not

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only insight on the topic but a

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knowledge of the history of UFOs the

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present state of UFO studies and the

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foresight of where we may be heading

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with this mystery and how it's handled

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by both the public and those who seek to

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control the information that guest was

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none other than my publisher Richard

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Dolan and right out of the gate the

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premiere episode of somewhere in the

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skies skyrocketed into

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stratosphere of downloads and that's

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what I knew people did want to hear

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about UFOs on a weekly basis so after 60

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main episodes and a handful of bonus

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episodes I'm excited and honored to

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bring back the man who helped put

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someone in the skies on the podcast map

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fresh off the plane Dolan sits down with

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me to talk all about his recent trip to

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Indian Wells California for contact in

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the desert one of the largest UFO

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conferences in North America with

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speakers from all over the world in

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every field of study it remains one of

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the most well attended gatherings of

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those who seek answers to the UFO

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phenomenon and possibility of

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extraterrestrial visitation Richard

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Dolan has been invited to speak every

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single year of the event with good

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reason as you'll hear today we run

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through three vastly different lectures

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he gave at the event ranging from false

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flag operations to the new-age

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derailment of UFO studies we then tackle

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UFO secrecy through the lens of the

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recent Pentagon UFO program story to the

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stars Academy in the never-ending battle

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between corporate and alternative media

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coverage of the UFO topic this is a

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jam-packed interview with one of the

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most well respected historians and UFO

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researchers out there today so without

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further ado let's make contact with

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rich thank you so much for joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies again hi

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oh it's a pleasure to be on with you I'm

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glad it's been too long so I'm glad to

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be doing it now way too long man

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you were my premiere guest for the show

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and it is still to this day my most

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highly downloaded episode so full circle

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man you're back and fresh off the heels

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of contact of the desert am i correct oh

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Tracy and I just I just got married by

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the way a month ago to my um I love

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Tracy Garbett and she's traveling with

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me we we did contact in the desert just

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last weekend and yes it was interesting

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I did three lectures one of which was a

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brand-new lecture two of which I've been

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tweaking and updating over the last year

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or so so he has a lot of a lot of new

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information I had to present right first

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congratulations on the marriage you know

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I thank you I was there when you popped

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well in the same vicinity I should say

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so that was quite a memorable experience

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to say the least so that was at the

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International Congress in 2017 that's

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of the moment that I asked it from a

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distance and put it on Twitter saying

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god bless oh thank you yes so yeah so

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your three intensive lectures workshops

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talks that you gave this week all very

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different the first was Friday you spoke

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about this was called down the rabbit

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hole of false flags you talked all about

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what they are how they happened the

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evolution so yeah if you wouldn't mind

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giving us sort of a primer on what this

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was all about this is kind of a new

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venture you've you've been diving into

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and been working on it is I've been I've

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been deeply involved in the research now

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for a couple of years so what I did is

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really presented my current I guess

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thinking on what false legs are and why

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they why they are such a big part of our

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world today for anyone who just doesn't

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know what the phrase mean a false flag

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is simply an event or an action that is

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intelligence agency it could be anyone

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that is then blamed on somebody else and

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being traumatic or awful something that

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is designed to elicit emotional reaction

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blamed on someone else and then that is

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then used to justify something that

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would be very hard to justify otherwise

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gotten into talking about false flags

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particularly since 9/11 there's been a I

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think as you and many listeners realized

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it a little a great deal of research

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done on 9/11 that more than just shows

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suspicion suspicious actions of the

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United States government about many

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things but really lead people to believe

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that the u.s. elements of the US

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government deliberately made the events

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of that day to happen blamed it on al

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Qaeda and then use that to justify the

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the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and and

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security state which we are living in to

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this day so 9/11 you know and I think in

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anyone's analysis is really the

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centerpiece of false flags of the modern

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era but it's not the first and not the

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last one of the things that I have done

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with false flags at least conceptually

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is to point out that this really is a

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distinctively modern phenomenon false

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flags you often read on the web people

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will say it's ancient phenomenon people

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ancient times that's kind of it's really

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not true I mean there are events in the

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ancient world that could well qualify as

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false flags in my study of ancient

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history I have found a number of events

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that I would say are false flag II I'm

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the header leg false flag but they're

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not quite really quite what you'd expect

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out of a false flag like a covert op

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that's you know just deliberately

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perniciously you know in gating and

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engaging an act of what what might be

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called perfidy you know like a really

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devious sort of a lie and that's that's

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really a specifically modern 19th really

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our own era and the reason that this is

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a modern phenomenon in my opinion it is

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because it's only in the 20th century

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particularly after the bloody carnage of

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the First World War which was kind of

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made a horrible meat-grinder of human

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humanity to be honest it just some

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that utterly traumatized Europe in

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particular because they just convulsed

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upon themselves and millions of dead

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young men so as a result of that there

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is the development of of what you would

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say a specific international law that

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made wars of aggression illegal and

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definitely immoral hard - hard to

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remember and easy to forget that before

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the first world war which was just 100

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years ago nations had traipse off to war

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like as if it was a great wonderful

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glorious glorious thing to do and after

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the first world war no it is not and and

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so what happened is that nations still

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perceived a need to engage in warfare

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elites still perceived a need to steal

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things from other parts of the world I

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mean that never goes away but

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increasingly what you'd find is a need

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to hide and mask that because again wars

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of aggression we're really after 1918

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considered absolutely wrong the other

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the modern world of a wide range of

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nations that were ostensibly democratic

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democracy was very much in a minority

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type of a government there were very few

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nations in the world that were openly

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different in every it seemed like every

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nation in the world was like oh yes

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we're a democracy - and we're a

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democracy and we're a democracy so with

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that attitude nations and governments

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and elites still needed to they felt the

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need to do the kind of aggression and

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all the things that need to do but they

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had a will corral the public more and

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more so the public increasingly felt

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that they were part of the process of

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making decisions and so as a result it

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became necessary to fool the public more

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and more like I say to people if you're

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in North Korea today Kim jong-un doesn't

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need to false-flag you like he'll do

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what he wants to do and that's all there

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is to it Saudi Arabia same thing like

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false flags are not really necessary in

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a completely openly authoritarian

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government but in a government where the

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people at least have a pretense

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of ruling it's more and more important

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for elites to be able to fake out to do

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a head-fake on the people and false

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flags one of those ways to do it along

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with the growth of major media is the

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last piece of the puzzle really less big

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piece where governments now have the

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ability if they dominate major media to

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get their messaging out there and then

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ops teams which also comes really out of

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world war one and then world war two so

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it's truly the 20th century you get the

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real need and ability for false flags to

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be perpetrated on the public in a

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significant way and it's really in the

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1930s honestly where you start seeing

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real false flags like Germany Japan the

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Soviet Union all during that era did

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false flags like a ragtag fire which

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many people have heard of that was

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Germany's 9/11 that was with near

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certainty we can say the the Nazis

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planned and orchestrated this even today

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80 plus years later historians argue

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about the Reichstag but generally

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speaking I think there's a reasonable

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consensus that Hermann Goering and other

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Nazis planned and did this as a way to

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blame it on Communists and as a way to

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give Hitler extreme powers which really

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led to his dictatorship prior to that he

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was just a chancellor just a prime

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minister basically so yet in the 1930s

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and then after World War two it's it's

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America's game and I I do want to ask

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you this rich just for a moment here

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this is a very hot button issue as of

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late is this idea of these mass

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shootings that have gone on in the

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United States is this anything you've

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looked at in terms of the false flag not

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phenomenon but the whole the whole

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theory of this does this play any role

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in that or do you do you find this

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politically motivated in some way what

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do you think about that whole yeah it's

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that's a really really good question

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Ryan and to be honest with you shootings

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are are a tricky one with false flags I

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do believe that some of the shootings

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the mass shootings which have been done

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are I mean false legs and not in the

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sense that they didn't happen I mean I

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think that they did happen and that the

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shooters involved may well have been

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involved but but in in the sense of some

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other things that are

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I think that there are things that are

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wrong with some of these events and and

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that it is entirely possible that some

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of the shooters who have been arrested

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and incarcerated were were innocent of

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what they did you know I do believe this

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this is Anning but a bombing I believe

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is the case of the Boston Marathon

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bombing event of 2013 I think that those

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brothers the Sarnia brothers were almost

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certainly unjustly convicted well one of

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them was murdered but the other one was

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convicted but as some of the shootings

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it's tricky and honestly you know some

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of them I think it may be impossible to

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know with certainty what you have to

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look for with with any of these events

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--is are inconsistencies in the

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narratives so where in other words you

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see a number of people will say I saw

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multiple shooters at such-and-such a

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shooting event and this did happen in a

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number of them like the aurora colorado

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shooting james holmes you had a number

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of witnesses who said they saw multiple

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shooters you can't always be do the same

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thing when people say they hear multiple

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shots because there is an echo effect i

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just had a long discussion with someone

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about the las vegas shooting you know

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which was just recent which involves

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stephen paddock and there are definitely

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oddities about the las vegas shooting

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and i personally want to look more

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deeply into them i think that there's

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very definitely something wrong about

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that but some of the things that people

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talk about i just i try to be careful of

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what you do find with a lot of these is

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with shootings or any of the other small

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flags --is if you find that the patsy is

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typically killed off quickly or the the

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suspect i should say is typically killed

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off quickly you really have to wonder

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and then when even if they're alive

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they're convicted in a secret kangaroo

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court which basically happens that

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Dzhokhar tsarnaev's Sonia brother in

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Boston but with the shootings you know

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people ask me about Sandy Hook like all

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the time Sandy Hook is one of those

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shootings that is dreadful to look into

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because it just seems like an utterly

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unsatisfying investigative experience

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people have tried looking into Sandy

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Hook and have had very little success

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and that's that's the reality now that

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doesn't mean that a shooting didn't

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happen it doesn't mean that we haven't

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even heard that

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we may very well have heard the truth

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about Sandy Hook from the official

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establishment maybe it's true but the

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truth is that there have been

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investigators have tried to look into

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that and they have not been able to get

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very far and with a lot of these modern

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shootings that seems to be the case like

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the door just closed shut and I do

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wonder with a lot of them you do see

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whether they're false flags or not you

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see a highly politicized result coming

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out of them for example with Sandy Hook

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not simply gun control calls for that

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but even more significantly calls for

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psychological profiling the mentally ill

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was a big issue out of Sandy Hook out of

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the recent Florida shooting in the

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school shooting a horrible thing you now

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get a movement to basically turn our

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schools into open air prisons or closed

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prisons with to make students feel safe

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metal detectors and you know random

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Locker searches and all of that in fact

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you find a lot of the students in the

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front row calling to be safe and I'm

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like okay great if you want to be safe

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that's what's gonna happen you're gonna

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have metal detectors and random Locker

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searches for the rest of all time so get

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used to it yeah so there there's

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definitely political actions that come

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out of these but whether the shootings

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are all false flags I it's a real tough

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one what I would like to emphasize is

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that that's not really where the true

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action is in my view with false legs

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today I think the rail action is

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typically United States organized

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activities in nations abroad for example

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Syria has been subjected to many many

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false flags by the United States over

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the last few years I could talk a great

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length about some of that there was one

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just quite recently and I'm very very

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strongly of the opinion that the last

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chemical weapons attack attributed to

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the Bashar al-assad government just a

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month and a half ago was a false flag

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against them we believe it was false

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flag for one reason and simple reason if

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there was gas leakage or attack

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and you're talking about 60 dead in that

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city how could the city continue this

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life normally they didn't evacuate the

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city no one left the city life continued

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as normal and this is mass destruction

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the other day they attacked Arash Wyatt

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where they said there was the gas

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Deportes and they attacked all the

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reports and there was no gas coming out

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of that Airport no one of our army

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officers or staff military stuff was

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affected by any gas so for us there was

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no gas attack and no gas support it was

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false flag play just to justify their

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attack on the share that base this was

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one day before that government was going

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to excuse me one day before there was a

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chemical weapons inspection scheduled to

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take place and then BOOM a day before

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there's a chemical weapons attack anyone

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who's looked into this has seen that

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there is actually nothing linking the

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Assad government to that and in previous

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chemical weapons attacks you see that

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it's it's the jihadists that were

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organized and trained and funded by the

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United States that are predominantly

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behind these false these chemical

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weapons attacks yeah it always seems to

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circle back to us somehow in the world

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of false Flags the United States is the

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Olympic champion every year a gold medal

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we don't want yeah one thing I would

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mention in terms of regime changing

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false Flags the United States is really

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the expert at influencing elections

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rigging elections and switching out

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governments it never ceases to amaze me

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when I hear about people talking about

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how Russia supposedly influenced our

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last election I'm like are you kidding

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me that's our job that's what the US

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does is rigged elections Russians you

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got to be kidding me

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the United States went through a very

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very sophisticated transformation in the

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1980s and 90s by which they switched out

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the responsibility for doing false flag

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regime changes from the CIA which

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previously years before just did one

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coup organized the military of one

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nation military of another nation to do

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a coup against the government whether

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it's

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Brazil or or Laos like a million times

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or Greece or Cambodia or Bolivia or

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Chile famously the end a government

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switched out for the the torturous

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Pinochet government in Chile I mean this

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has gone on this is all part of the US

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history but by the mid and late 70s

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there was a backlash against that it was

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after Watergate after Vietnam and people

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are like you know maybe we shouldn't be

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using the CIA to throw out governments

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that often are elected by their people

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and putting in military dictatorships so

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what the u.s. did is in 1983 this is in

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the Reagan years created something known

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as the National Endowment for democracy

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the anyd it's an NGOs a non-governmental

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organization which just happens to get

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all of its money from the US government

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to function a lot of CIA money State

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Department but what the NAD does is it

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funds international NGOs like Freedom

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House oh my goodness

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the National Democratic Institute for

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International Affairs and NDI the

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International Republican Institute and

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all these others they're international

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NGOs and or call dingoes and what they

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do is they will funnel money to the

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local NGOs of target nations to create

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revolutionary movements so so like when

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you like the so called color revolutions

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of the early 2000 in Eastern Europe or

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the Arab Spring of 2011 is a perfect

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example where you have US money through

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the CIA and through State Department

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funneling through these various

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organizations to start up public

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revolution organized at all times by us

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hand-picked leaders of those local

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revolutions and all those revolutions of

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course end up being Pro Western

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corporate pro-western finance Pro us

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like every last one of them so that's

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how the the CIA doesn't now it's through

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the National Endowment for democracy

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it's a whole NGO structure that's that's

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very very effective because it really

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keeps the u.s. fingerprints much farther

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removed from the from the scene of the

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crime and you know there are a lot of

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analysts who are right on this and they

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know exactly how the whole thing works

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through these NGOs but

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it's really an amazing thing just in a

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few steps you can you know start with a

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few million dollars you can overthrow

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your own government now to fund your

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core leaders you they hire the key

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workers and trainers they create the

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social media and news infrastructure on

547
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:19,760
YouTube Facebook all the web pages

548
00:22:24,730 --> 00:22:22,559
Twitter they create a physical and

549
00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:24,740
infrastructure like shanty towns and

550
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,710
band stands and banners and signage then

551
00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:30,480
the one thing they have to do is create

552
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:33,720
an event that sparks the movement that

553
00:22:37,970 --> 00:22:35,850
could be an election that you decide is

554
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,980
your gonna say is fraudulent even before

555
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:40,080
it's happened or it can be someone who's

556
00:22:46,850 --> 00:22:43,380
in prison or it could be or it could be

557
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:46,860
a violent protest that that generates a

558
00:22:51,020 --> 00:22:49,290
police response and you've got social

559
00:22:53,870 --> 00:22:51,030
media ready to record it you put it on

560
00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:53,880
your your Facebook and that's the event

561
00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:55,710
or you know whatever it could be a lot

562
00:22:58,490 --> 00:22:56,940
of things you want to give the

563
00:23:00,590 --> 00:22:58,500
appearance of an actual movement that

564
00:23:02,330 --> 00:23:00,600
generates interest by the public then

565
00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:02,340
you get the local politicians to support

566
00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:03,780
and then you get the US to support it

567
00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:06,270
you get the US to support you you're on

568
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:08,160
your way to running your own little

569
00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:10,170
country the thing is like when people

570
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:12,840
see this stuff in the news they're like

571
00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:15,330
oh well good for the people they're

572
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:18,540
they're protesting against the evil

573
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:20,130
government but you got to understand

574
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:22,230
like this happens time and again now in

575
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:24,510
the last 20 years it's happened so many

576
00:23:29,299 --> 00:23:27,120
times and it's not that people don't

577
00:23:32,419 --> 00:23:29,309
have a right to have a better life of

578
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:32,429
course they do but we really are we

579
00:23:38,810 --> 00:23:36,090
would be wise to investigate just who is

580
00:23:40,910 --> 00:23:38,820
paying for these revolutions and for

581
00:23:43,700 --> 00:23:40,920
these rebellions and frequently when you

582
00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:43,710
really trace the the finances it goes

583
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:46,200
right back to Washington DC follow the

584
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:48,450
money the rabbit-hole aspect of your

585
00:23:54,860 --> 00:23:51,690
title is all right they're moving to

586
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:54,870
your second talk rich this was oh I can

587
00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:56,370
only imagine this was a little

588
00:24:00,770 --> 00:23:59,010
controversial I contacted the dealer we

589
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:00,780
have all these connotations that this is

590
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:03,600
a big you know outside event with a lot

591
00:24:09,169 --> 00:24:06,330
of new-age aspects to it and your talk

592
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:09,179
was called the New Age SIOP how it has

593
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:11,820
derailed the study of UFOs how did this

594
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:14,220
one go over did you get out did you get

595
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:16,650
lynched for this one I have to thank you

596
00:24:20,490 --> 00:24:18,910
this is something of an in-your-face

597
00:24:22,110 --> 00:24:20,500
kind of a lecture and that kind of a

598
00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:22,120
conference and here's the thing like

599
00:24:27,450 --> 00:24:24,760
I've contacted the desert has been going

600
00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:27,460
for I believe six years and someone just

601
00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:29,710
said to me that I was invited every

602
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:31,929
single year and like that wow that's I

603
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:34,809
have gone many times I enjoy contact in

604
00:24:38,850 --> 00:24:36,490
the desert it's a fun experience for me

605
00:24:41,549 --> 00:24:38,860
it always has been good people it is

606
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:41,559
very new aging it's not as new agey as

607
00:24:45,290 --> 00:24:43,450
some of the new life Expos in New York

608
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:45,300
or LA but it's it's still definitely

609
00:24:50,370 --> 00:24:49,090
right out there and as such I have often

610
00:24:51,419 --> 00:24:50,380
felt a little bit like a fish out of

611
00:24:53,580 --> 00:24:51,429
water that's the truth

612
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:53,590
and I'll always agree to go it's always

613
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:55,450
a nice time but there's a very very

614
00:25:01,410 --> 00:24:57,250
strong element of New Age philosophy

615
00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:01,420
that is is there and it's not that I'm

616
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:05,260
against all forms of strange ways of

617
00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:06,850
getting information my goodness

618
00:25:10,910 --> 00:25:09,070
my wife Tracy is a very very excellent

619
00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:10,920
remote viewer and she's been

620
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,750
professionally trained by a man who

621
00:25:18,060 --> 00:25:15,520
actually has taught for many years at

622
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:18,070
the Monroe Institute he's very good and

623
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:20,050
she's excellent that's real and my and

624
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:21,490
I've studied remote viewing long before

625
00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:24,090
I knew Tracy I've been I never need any

626
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:26,710
convincing on that and there's a lot of

627
00:25:29,580 --> 00:25:27,910
other strange things about our world

628
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:29,590
I've studied UFOs long enough to know

629
00:25:34,410 --> 00:25:31,809
that things like consciousness actually

630
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:34,420
are important in this there is some kind

631
00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:38,490
of mind to mind connection that many

632
00:25:44,190 --> 00:25:41,350
experiencers have with with this UFO

633
00:25:46,140 --> 00:25:44,200
phenomenon that's all real and and what

634
00:25:48,540 --> 00:25:46,150
it means is that there's a very big part

635
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:48,550
of our reality that's not being

636
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:51,250
explained by contemporary physics in my

637
00:25:56,490 --> 00:25:54,610
view for these things to be true for a

638
00:25:57,660 --> 00:25:56,500
remote viewer for instance to be able to

639
00:26:00,510 --> 00:25:57,670
see something on the other side of the

640
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:00,520
world or in another time tells me that

641
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:02,530
space and time are a little bit

642
00:26:07,020 --> 00:26:04,809
different than how we typically

643
00:26:08,460 --> 00:26:07,030
understand it and that's a hole in our

644
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:08,470
understanding that can leave the door

645
00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:11,050
open for what we might call paranormal

646
00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:13,150
or New Age philosophy or consciousness

647
00:26:18,030 --> 00:26:15,670
so I'm not here I'm not like Michael

648
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:18,040
Shermer I'm not I'm not sam Harris I'm

649
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,650
not trying to debunk all of this I come

650
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:22,000
from a perspective where I know there's

651
00:26:26,850 --> 00:26:23,440
a lot of strange things having said that

652
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:26,860
I I gave a lecture here that looks at

653
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:30,090
New Age philosophy in in ufology

654
00:26:35,299 --> 00:26:33,690
as a PSYOP whether it is or isn't as

655
00:26:37,399 --> 00:26:35,309
another issue but one thing I would

656
00:26:39,610 --> 00:26:37,409
point out to people is when you look at

657
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:39,620
the the birth of the hippie generation

658
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:42,690
that has been argued very effectively to

659
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:45,480
be a psychological operation by the Navy

660
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:47,940
intelligence and CIA and the good work

661
00:26:51,620 --> 00:26:49,320
on that's been done by the late Dave

662
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:51,630
McGowan and I would encourage anyone to

663
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,480
go read his analysis of the 1960s and

664
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:56,640
the hippies called the strange but

665
00:27:01,279 --> 00:26:58,770
mostly true story of Laurel Canyon and

666
00:27:01,820 --> 00:27:01,289
the birth of the hippie generation long

667
00:27:03,860 --> 00:27:01,830
title

668
00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:03,870
it's on the web anyone can read it it's

669
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:06,110
outstanding and what McGowan does is he

670
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,779
paints a picture of this sleepy little

671
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:11,760
town Laurel Canyon outside of La in the

672
00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:14,490
mid sixties it at one point around then

673
00:27:18,139 --> 00:27:16,020
didn't even have its own zip code and

674
00:27:19,820 --> 00:27:18,149
suddenly every major future rock star

675
00:27:22,460 --> 00:27:19,830
seemed to descend on the area

676
00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:22,470
Jim Morrison Frank Zappa a young rock

677
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:25,860
star wannabe named Charlie Manson John

678
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:27,350
Phillips of the Mamas and the Papas

679
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,720
David Crosby Stephen Stills and people

680
00:27:35,060 --> 00:27:32,820
with talent people without talent Jim

681
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:35,070
Morrison if I didn't mention him and

682
00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:38,610
what he finds is that a large number of

683
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:41,580
these people come from families of the

684
00:27:45,860 --> 00:27:43,770
US military intelligence Navy

685
00:27:49,610 --> 00:27:45,870
intelligence particularly or CIA

686
00:27:51,740 --> 00:27:49,620
connections like a large number so that

687
00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:51,750
made him McGavin go hmmm what's this all

688
00:27:54,649 --> 00:27:52,200
about

689
00:27:56,899 --> 00:27:54,659
what does this mean anything he went

690
00:28:00,889 --> 00:27:56,909
further he found that Laurel Canyon for

691
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:00,899
20 years prior had had a u.s. classified

692
00:28:05,659 --> 00:28:03,450
Navy propaganda film studio there so the

693
00:28:08,899 --> 00:28:05,669
US Navy had a presence in Laurel Canyon

694
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:08,909
since the 1940s he found that Laurel

695
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:11,820
Canyon was right where LSD began to

696
00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:15,000
spring out of American culture to the

697
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:16,350
nation at large

698
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:18,539
yes LSD had been around before them but

699
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:21,210
it was in Laurel Canyon in 1965 that it

700
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,539
starts to explode 1965 was when you get

701
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,399
the first real hippies with the long

702
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,799
hair and the crazy clothing with the

703
00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:30,480
emphasis on sex and drugs and rock and

704
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:33,000
roll a strong occult emphasis out of

705
00:28:37,180 --> 00:28:35,159
Laurel Canyon a lot of a lot of young

706
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:37,190
Psychopaths like Manson go there and

707
00:28:43,250 --> 00:28:41,730
what McGowan starts to argue is that

708
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:43,260
this really looks like it was an

709
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:43,890
operation

710
00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:46,110
and by the US intelligence community to

711
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,020
derail the then viable peace movement

712
00:28:54,890 --> 00:28:51,840
that was spreading across the u.s. not

713
00:28:56,780 --> 00:28:54,900
by hippies but by young people as you

714
00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:56,790
know when the pocket protectors and

715
00:29:01,670 --> 00:28:59,700
their plaid pants and holding hands and

716
00:29:03,260 --> 00:29:01,680
marching for civil rights or against the

717
00:29:06,010 --> 00:29:03,270
war and they were very you know

718
00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:06,020
principled young people and that became

719
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:09,750
the Woodstock experience of free love

720
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:11,910
and getting high and doing LSD and

721
00:29:16,580 --> 00:29:14,430
really getting out of political activism

722
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:16,590
and I think McGowan made a very strong

723
00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:18,930
argument that the hippie culture was a

724
00:29:24,290 --> 00:29:21,270
was an operation now that's not proof

725
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:24,300
but what I would say is that the CIA has

726
00:29:30,380 --> 00:29:27,050
a long history of cultural manipulation

727
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:30,390
of media manipulation and mind control

728
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:32,610
through MKULTRA and follow-up programs

729
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:36,480
of infiltration of UFO organizations all

730
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:38,010
of this is documented going back to the

731
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:40,770
1950s then you've got the FBI example of

732
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,140
COINTELPRO where the FBI explicitly

733
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:45,840
infiltrated active u.s. groups for

734
00:29:49,790 --> 00:29:48,450
social change and and undermine them and

735
00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:49,800
destroyed them like the Black Panthers

736
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:52,020
or students for a Democratic Society so

737
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:53,910
there's this example in American history

738
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:56,210
of the u.s. intelligence

739
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:01,200
actively working to control our culture

740
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:03,510
and it's not very well known but it's

741
00:30:08,660 --> 00:30:05,700
true that the CIA promoted Abstract

742
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,670
Expressionism in art by funding it like

743
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:10,080
people like Jackson Pollock and the like

744
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:12,090
through the Congress for cultural

745
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:14,460
freedom in the 1950s and 60s and you

746
00:30:18,290 --> 00:30:15,720
might think well that's cool you might

747
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:18,300
think that's weird it's probably both

748
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:22,170
the CIA funded you know the craziest of

749
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:24,090
the crazy Abstract Expressionists art as

750
00:30:30,140 --> 00:30:27,450
a tool in the cultural Cold War and and

751
00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:30,150
all that means is that there's a long

752
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:32,670
history actually of the CIA involved and

753
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:35,250
engage in u.s. culture and then there's

754
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:37,770
the CIA's connection to the New Age is

755
00:30:42,770 --> 00:30:40,620
their answer yes there's a book called

756
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:42,780
the Course in Miracles which was one of

757
00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:45,600
the early sort of new-age statements in

758
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,820
American culture well they the man who

759
00:30:51,970 --> 00:30:49,620
is the the boss of the woman who

760
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:51,980
channeled Jesus which is what that was

761
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:56,700
he was a longtime MKULTRA and mind

762
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,690
control

763
00:31:03,080 --> 00:30:59,760
scientists with the CIA his name was

764
00:31:04,670 --> 00:31:03,090
William Thetford or bill thetford and he

765
00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:04,680
might have been a nice guy but he worked

766
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,380
with MKULTRA for years years and years

767
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:09,600
it just so happens does it mean

768
00:31:15,620 --> 00:31:11,370
something well it might

769
00:31:17,270 --> 00:31:15,630
I looked into early odd connections with

770
00:31:20,780 --> 00:31:17,280
intelligence with the Esalen Institute

771
00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:20,790
which is in California or its

772
00:31:25,790 --> 00:31:22,470
connections to the famous Tavistock

773
00:31:27,020 --> 00:31:25,800
Institute which is as in London and was

774
00:31:29,180 --> 00:31:27,030
a collaboration of British military

775
00:31:33,170 --> 00:31:29,190
intelligence and the psychiatric

776
00:31:36,050 --> 00:31:33,180
community and and the whole CIA possible

777
00:31:39,050 --> 00:31:36,060
connection of creation of cults there's

778
00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:39,060
a long study of CIA connection to the

779
00:31:43,340 --> 00:31:41,190
Jim Jones cult known as the People's

780
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:43,350
Temple which resulted in a mass suicide

781
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:45,090
in that in the South American nation of

782
00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:47,610
Guyana and I think this is the claim

783
00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:49,380
that that's a CIA operation and

784
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:51,420
experiment in social control of

785
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:54,120
mind-control is a good argument it's not

786
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:56,370
open and shut but it's a good one there

787
00:32:00,200 --> 00:31:57,450
are a number of these others that I've

788
00:32:02,030 --> 00:32:00,210
looked into that make me think the CIA

789
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:02,040
may indeed have an interest in creating

790
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:04,290
cults when I look at New Age movement

791
00:32:11,540 --> 00:32:07,530
how it exploded into UFOs really during

792
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:11,550
the 1990s I see something that has done

793
00:32:15,050 --> 00:32:13,320
one thing in particular a couple of

794
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:15,060
things actually one is it's brought in a

795
00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:18,120
lot of self-described prophets and

796
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:22,140
predictors who give claims that I mean

797
00:32:27,050 --> 00:32:25,140
are impossible to check like you it's

798
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:27,060
not you know when someone says that they

799
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,330
met with and Ramadan's and and make one

800
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:32,640
prediction after another that's always

801
00:32:37,550 --> 00:32:35,580
wrong I wonder it's just and this is

802
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:37,560
true this was you know one such person

803
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:39,330
and they're always wrong you have to

804
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:41,220
wonder it what is the purpose here is it

805
00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:43,020
someone just self-aggrandizing just

806
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:45,870
working off of people's gullibility that

807
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:47,700
could very well be the case but you've

808
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:51,110
got a lot of examples of New Age

809
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:54,480
mentality there's a lady wooz with zeta

810
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:56,820
talker name is nancy lieder and I mean

811
00:32:59,900 --> 00:32:58,290
she's really one of the more out there

812
00:33:03,260 --> 00:32:59,910
of all of them admittedly but she would

813
00:33:05,270 --> 00:33:03,270
talk about how this is back in o3 I

814
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:05,280
believe she had a prediction for the

815
00:33:10,269 --> 00:33:07,050
collision with Nibiru you know the

816
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:10,279
planet supposedly Sitchin wrote about

817
00:33:16,289 --> 00:33:13,190
and aliens and Zeta Reticuli told her

818
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:16,299
through messages via a brain implant of

819
00:33:20,169 --> 00:33:18,529
this planet which would enter our solar

820
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:20,179
system and cause a pole shift that would

821
00:33:24,299 --> 00:33:22,399
destroy most of humanity these people

822
00:33:26,649 --> 00:33:24,309
just keep coming and coming and coming

823
00:33:28,779 --> 00:33:26,659
and and then of course everything

824
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:28,789
leading up to ascension 2012 which I

825
00:33:35,619 --> 00:33:31,450
think was one of the most pernicious of

826
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,629
all of them of the New Age intrusions in

827
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:37,519
ufology was just horrible

828
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:39,529
that this thing really gained the

829
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:41,690
momentum it did it was very damaging to

830
00:33:46,029 --> 00:33:43,849
I think the critical thinking skills of

831
00:33:48,430 --> 00:33:46,039
anyone loosely connected with the UFO

832
00:33:49,989 --> 00:33:48,440
field the idea that planet Earth was

833
00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:49,999
shifting from a third dimensional to a

834
00:33:54,009 --> 00:33:52,190
fourth and fifth dimensional vibrational

835
00:33:55,109 --> 00:33:54,019
frequency you hear dissolve one would

836
00:33:56,229 --> 00:33:55,119
hear this all the time and

837
00:33:58,659 --> 00:33:56,239
extraterrestrials

838
00:34:00,129 --> 00:33:58,669
along with angels or spiritual

839
00:34:02,169 --> 00:34:00,139
hierarchies or whatever would be the

840
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,179
catalyst to usher in great changes and

841
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:04,399
this is all predicted for 2012 and of

842
00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:05,450
course it did not happen

843
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:08,510
so my point about this is that these

844
00:34:14,049 --> 00:34:11,450
types of predictions are based on

845
00:34:15,819 --> 00:34:14,059
evidence free assertions and it's as if

846
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:15,829
because they come from a supposedly

847
00:34:22,029 --> 00:34:20,510
intuitive point of knowledge that it's

848
00:34:24,819 --> 00:34:22,039
impossible to check it with with

849
00:34:26,260 --> 00:34:24,829
anything like evidence and how dare you

850
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:26,270
for thinking that you should ask for

851
00:34:31,629 --> 00:34:29,450
evidence so I mean that's really how it

852
00:34:33,970 --> 00:34:31,639
went and and what ended up happening is

853
00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:33,980
that a certain portion of the culture

854
00:34:38,289 --> 00:34:35,960
that follows UFOs basically lost their

855
00:34:40,059 --> 00:34:38,299
mind I mean just lost their mind and

856
00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:40,069
they haven't they haven't regained it

857
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:41,240
because you still hear talk about

858
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:43,849
ascension to this day I'm like what what

859
00:34:48,549 --> 00:34:46,450
is what do you need to understand that

860
00:34:51,069 --> 00:34:48,559
ascension is nothing other than a mass

861
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:51,079
cultural death wish right that's that is

862
00:34:54,819 --> 00:34:53,510
what it is pure escapism I mean and then

863
00:34:56,799 --> 00:34:54,829
there's all the rest like all of the

864
00:34:58,329 --> 00:34:56,809
supposed to disclosure events that were

865
00:35:01,120 --> 00:34:58,339
going to happen that's not necessarily a

866
00:35:04,059 --> 00:35:01,130
new-age thing but these happen because

867
00:35:06,250 --> 00:35:04,069
people get used to they get used to

868
00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:06,260
claims without evidence through a kind

869
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:09,230
of new-age oriented mentality and it

870
00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:11,049
leads the door open for all these other

871
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,640
charlatans to come along and say I've

872
00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:15,200
got inside sources that say there's

873
00:35:19,539 --> 00:35:17,960
gonna be disclosure this year or this

874
00:35:21,579 --> 00:35:19,549
year or this year you know there was a

875
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:21,589
claim about a decade ago when Obama was

876
00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:22,970
just elected that he was the

877
00:35:26,590 --> 00:35:24,020
reincarnation

878
00:35:28,270 --> 00:35:26,600
of the Egyptian god Horus and if people

879
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:28,280
want to know who made the prediction go

880
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:30,770
google it I'll let you do the work but

881
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,450
it's an embarrassment and that these

882
00:35:37,330 --> 00:35:34,400
things get traction the way that they do

883
00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:37,340
and it never seems to stop so I thought

884
00:35:42,910 --> 00:35:39,260
you know I don't know that this is a CIA

885
00:35:45,250 --> 00:35:42,920
operation but here's the thing if I were

886
00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:45,260
trying to hide evidence of a secret

887
00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:47,150
space program or if some other really

888
00:35:50,650 --> 00:35:48,950
advanced thing that I don't want the

889
00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:50,660
public to know about I would make sure

890
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:53,830
that I litter the field with as much

891
00:36:00,040 --> 00:35:57,890
unprovable nonsensical data as I could

892
00:36:02,290 --> 00:36:00,050
to turn the whole field into like a

893
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:02,300
Where's Waldo cartoon like where you

894
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:04,310
know the real thing is there but it's

895
00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:08,510
surrounded by all this other stuff good

896
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:10,700
luck finding it one of the elements of

897
00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:13,070
this mentality that I think is very

898
00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:15,230
dangerous is this idea about avoiding

899
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:17,750
negativity because the concept is that

900
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:21,010
you create your own reality therefore by

901
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:23,510
emphasising anything negative the theory

902
00:36:28,990 --> 00:36:25,610
is that you're you're giving power to

903
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:29,000
negativity and this is a very incorrect

904
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:32,600
and dangerous idea it is I believe and I

905
00:36:38,410 --> 00:36:35,210
believed in my whole life that the way

906
00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:38,420
that I think affects my behavior and

907
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:41,000
affects my my character and my future

908
00:36:45,580 --> 00:36:43,010
and so that the way that we think is

909
00:36:47,410 --> 00:36:45,590
very important indeed and you want to

910
00:36:49,690 --> 00:36:47,420
talk to yourself in the right way to

911
00:36:52,030 --> 00:36:49,700
have a healthy life but I would say at

912
00:36:54,510 --> 00:36:52,040
the same time by avoiding looking at the

913
00:36:57,370 --> 00:36:54,520
difficult things in this world which is

914
00:37:00,040 --> 00:36:57,380
really easy to do for someone who's a

915
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:00,050
true God in the world New Age mentality

916
00:37:04,420 --> 00:37:02,690
type of person by avoiding things that

917
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:04,430
they feel are negative they are setting

918
00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:07,310
themselves up to be dominated and been

919
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:10,520
controlled by a power structure that is

920
00:37:15,370 --> 00:37:13,730
relentless by us the smallest number of

921
00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:15,380
people now who want to own everything

922
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:17,630
that is worth owning in this world that

923
00:37:22,030 --> 00:37:20,000
is a war and and it doesn't help to

924
00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:22,040
fight that war if one lives inside a

925
00:37:28,450 --> 00:37:25,640
mental bubble that gives them a reason

926
00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:28,460
to avoid evidence-based claims in in

927
00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:30,470
favor of hard centeredness or whatever

928
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:32,780
what have you it impedes clear thinking

929
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:34,970
and what we need more than ever is clear

930
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,410
thinking because this is

931
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:38,640
this is not fun and games that were

932
00:37:43,340 --> 00:37:40,890
involved in this is a really serious

933
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:43,350
situation not just and ufology but the

934
00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:45,990
world in general so I just want to

935
00:37:50,330 --> 00:37:47,880
mention that I think and again it's not

936
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:50,340
to deny that we live in a strange world

937
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:53,460
and it's not to deny that that even

938
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:55,950
things like psychics are all invalid I

939
00:37:59,570 --> 00:37:57,810
don't say that but we have to be able to

940
00:38:02,240 --> 00:37:59,580
recognize BS when it comes our way and

941
00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:02,250
we've got to be able to be willing to

942
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:06,360
ask for evidence when we receive claims

943
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:08,490
of any sort whatsoever and we just have

944
00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:10,530
to be in that mindset it's the only way

945
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:12,600
to win is by seeing what the other guy

946
00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:14,250
is actually doing and you can't do that

947
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:16,830
if you are living in a mental bubble I

948
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:17,850
couldn't agree more

949
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:20,850
I mean mindset is it's it's it's

950
00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:22,770
necessary and it's the most powerful

951
00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:24,630
tool I think we have that could be

952
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:26,430
wielded for good and bad that you make a

953
00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:29,490
really good point with that reg well in

954
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:31,800
terms of your last talk now this is

955
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:33,570
where it got a little bit more nuts and

956
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:36,570
bolts for us ufologists out there right

957
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:39,480
and very current this has a lot to do

958
00:38:45,110 --> 00:38:42,300
with to the stars bass a tip all of it

959
00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:45,120
disclosure this was the global UFO

960
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:48,390
secrecy new revelations now I know

961
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:49,770
you're not a big fan of the New York

962
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:51,930
Times but they were the first to bring

963
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:54,690
this story to the mainstream public so I

964
00:39:00,140 --> 00:38:57,450
would love to hear your thoughts on all

965
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:00,150
of this all of those relations were

966
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:03,300
having let's dive in so I did have a lot

967
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:05,700
to say about Tom DeLonge to the Stars

968
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,520
and a tip prior to that I just I always

969
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:10,320
like to set the stage for what I think

970
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,970
is the general scenario of what's going

971
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:13,680
on in this world but there's a definite

972
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:17,400
phenomenon of of UFOs that's that's real

973
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:19,050
that is here that is represented by

974
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:21,450
beings that are not us they came here

975
00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:23,610
from wherever they came with incredibly

976
00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:25,590
advanced technology and even beyond that

977
00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:28,470
space-time manipulation incredible

978
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:30,870
powers of the mind there they're doing

979
00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:32,490
some contact some abductions they've

980
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:34,230
been here a long time I think probably a

981
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,820
lot of them are artificially created

982
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:37,740
organisms but that's just my own opinion

983
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:41,010
our response to that has been obtained

984
00:39:44,420 --> 00:39:42,810
as much of the technology as possible to

985
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:44,430
create a breakaway civilization secret

986
00:39:48,350 --> 00:39:46,200
space program desperately trying to

987
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:48,360
catch up weaponizing to the technology

988
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:50,010
is hiding the breakthroughs all of it I

989
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:51,240
think is what's going on

990
00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:54,839
and in that context you know we have the

991
00:40:00,320 --> 00:39:57,710
latest kind of outing of information

992
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:00,330
which was New York Times revelations

993
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,170
starting December 16 2017 and for

994
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:05,280
someone who just wants a quick recap

995
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:07,560
it's real simple on that date the New

996
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:10,050
York Times posted two not one two

997
00:40:16,820 --> 00:40:14,280
halfway-decent articles validating the

998
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:16,830
UFO phenomenon which is that's actually

999
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,140
war historical because the New York

1000
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:21,920
Times has never done this before never

1001
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:24,450
the New York Times from its beginning

1002
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:26,490
from the beginning of the flying saucer

1003
00:40:32,329 --> 00:40:30,180
UFO phenomenon in 1947 since it's become

1004
00:40:34,579 --> 00:40:32,339
a thing in our culture has always

1005
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:34,589
debunked and not just debunked a little

1006
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:37,890
bit but like hardcore fish is just

1007
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:39,810
throwing it you know kicking it to the

1008
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:42,210
curb debunking and that has always been

1009
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:45,960
the New York sign style and yet suddenly

1010
00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:50,339
you have to reasonably decent articles

1011
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,119
that describe the UFO phenomenon as

1012
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,280
something legitimate and you know the

1013
00:41:00,050 --> 00:40:59,040
revelations I mean I'll just recap one

1014
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,060
thing that they state is that the

1015
00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:02,880
pentagon spent 22 million dollars on UFO

1016
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,430
research for at least five years from oh

1017
00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,160
7 to 2012 it's not that long ago its

1018
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:10,380
recent history on a per with a program

1019
00:41:13,630 --> 00:41:12,270
known as the a tip advanced aerospace

1020
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:13,640
threat identification program

1021
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:16,440
interesting title managed by Louise

1022
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,450
Elizondo a career intelligence officer

1023
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:20,700
and by the way elizondo's statements

1024
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:22,950
have been very interesting I'm sure

1025
00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:24,089
you're very familiar with it I'm sure

1026
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:25,830
your listeners are but he would say

1027
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:27,240
things we've never seen anything like

1028
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:29,910
these sightings or the technology beyond

1029
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:32,640
next generation that's heavy-duty mister

1030
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:33,780
elisandra joins us tonight

1031
00:41:37,579 --> 00:41:35,400
good to see you thank you for having so

1032
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,589
did I overstate that is there a growing

1033
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:40,200
corpus of evidence not drunk people on a

1034
00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:41,640
lonely rural road at 3:00 in the morning

1035
00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:43,950
but sober military pilots saying

1036
00:41:47,780 --> 00:41:45,960
something that we can't explain is

1037
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:47,790
happening that is correct you're talking

1038
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,980
about individuals who have very high

1039
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:51,599
security clearances they are trained

1040
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:53,490
observers we've actually paid them and

1041
00:41:57,620 --> 00:41:55,530
put them through schools to be trained

1042
00:41:59,120 --> 00:41:57,630
and very keen observers to scrutinize

1043
00:42:01,579 --> 00:41:59,130
what they're seeing these are

1044
00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:01,589
individuals who we trust to fly weapons

1045
00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:03,670
platform sometimes with live Union issue

1046
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:06,760
/ US cities and to fight and win wars on

1047
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:09,520
our behalf and they're reporting to us

1048
00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:11,770
that they're seeing something that they

1049
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,540
can't explain and it's also being backed

1050
00:42:17,490 --> 00:42:15,520
up by the video evidence and the radar

1051
00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:17,500
data and then talking about recovered

1052
00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:19,390
materials which they described as metal

1053
00:42:24,270 --> 00:42:21,880
alloys from objects that were being

1054
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:24,280
studied by Bigelow Aerospace which is

1055
00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:26,530
the main the contractor to the Pentagon

1056
00:42:30,359 --> 00:42:28,030
for this and then the other thing that

1057
00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:30,369
came out or at least that was confirmed

1058
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:31,420
by the New York Times was the

1059
00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:34,690
extraordinary UFO encounter by commander

1060
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:36,190
David Freiburger known as the Tic Tac

1061
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:38,970
encounter from November of oh four

1062
00:42:42,990 --> 00:42:41,770
honestly I wanted to fly it you know

1063
00:42:44,819 --> 00:42:43,000
there's you know talking to some

1064
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:44,829
physicists they don't think the human

1065
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,690
body could handle that kind of force but

1066
00:42:49,950 --> 00:42:48,400
it doesn't it doesn't sound it does

1067
00:42:51,299 --> 00:42:49,960
inside the human body could so bottom

1068
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:51,309
line what do you think this was I

1069
00:42:55,859 --> 00:42:53,770
believe as do the other folks that were

1070
00:42:58,549 --> 00:42:55,869
on the flight that we visually saw that

1071
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:58,559
it was something not from this world

1072
00:43:03,059 --> 00:43:01,359
when presumably you expressed that

1073
00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:03,069
belief to your superiors what did they

1074
00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:05,260
say well actually we we caught a lot of

1075
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,780
grief getting back to the boat and it

1076
00:43:12,180 --> 00:43:10,000
got passed off is an event that no one

1077
00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:12,190
could explain now keep in mind they had

1078
00:43:15,690 --> 00:43:13,630
been tracking these for two weeks prior

1079
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:15,700
to us seeing it and this was the first

1080
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,049
time that manned airplanes had been

1081
00:43:21,870 --> 00:43:19,839
airborne when the objects appeared so

1082
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,880
those are the big the big revelations

1083
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,440
and that's a lot so this is something

1084
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:25,599
where people who follow the UFO field

1085
00:43:31,410 --> 00:43:27,490
would read these two articles and say

1086
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:31,420
AHA this is validation of what we've

1087
00:43:35,069 --> 00:43:32,710
been interested in all this time and

1088
00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:35,079
absolutely like you know came out just

1089
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:37,660
before Christmas I'm sure there were a

1090
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:40,690
lot of Christmas discussions family

1091
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:43,450
get-togethers that December seriously

1092
00:43:48,270 --> 00:43:46,210
where people were like I told you yeah

1093
00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:48,280
this is real Uncle Jimmy see that you

1094
00:43:52,740 --> 00:43:49,900
think it was all nonsense it isn't I'm

1095
00:43:54,359 --> 00:43:52,750
sure a lot of that happened and I think

1096
00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:54,369
that's a very good thing like it was

1097
00:43:59,970 --> 00:43:57,369
this acknowledgement by the corporate

1098
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:59,980
media that this phenomenon has

1099
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,599
legitimacy now I would point out a few

1100
00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:03,760
things one is that even in the New York

1101
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:05,740
Times pieces like they give you a little

1102
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:07,210
bit then they take away at the same

1103
00:44:10,410 --> 00:44:09,010
moment in the New York Times piece for

1104
00:44:12,839 --> 00:44:10,420
example the main one called glowing

1105
00:44:15,210 --> 00:44:12,849
auras and black money the Pentagon's

1106
00:44:17,130 --> 00:44:15,220
mysterious UFO program even the title is

1107
00:44:18,829 --> 00:44:17,140
very like sensationalistic but in

1108
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:18,839
your article you've got gratuitous

1109
00:44:24,269 --> 00:44:21,609
skeptical statements by James Oberg

1110
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:24,279
longtime skeptic debunker and this

1111
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:28,089
astronomer from Yale totally unrelated

1112
00:44:33,269 --> 00:44:30,609
to anything in the article why included

1113
00:44:35,069 --> 00:44:33,279
included just to give you the reader the

1114
00:44:36,809 --> 00:44:35,079
idea don't get excited

1115
00:44:39,059 --> 00:44:36,819
still you can still be skeptical so

1116
00:44:41,819 --> 00:44:39,069
there was that hesitancy that they had

1117
00:44:43,769 --> 00:44:41,829
but really what you find is that other

1118
00:44:46,769 --> 00:44:43,779
than the initial follow-up coverage in

1119
00:44:49,529 --> 00:44:46,779
the establishment media so you had CNN

1120
00:44:51,150 --> 00:44:49,539
and Fox doing interviews with Elizondo

1121
00:44:53,339 --> 00:44:51,160
and flavor and some of the others and

1122
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:53,349
and most of that was fairly positive

1123
00:44:57,210 --> 00:44:55,690
coverage it's been definitely slowed

1124
00:44:59,609 --> 00:44:57,220
down and you definitely see no real

1125
00:45:01,769 --> 00:44:59,619
follow-up from the establishment media

1126
00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:01,779
from the corporate media on any of these

1127
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:05,339
these claims like nothing and there's no

1128
00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:07,690
self-examination on why the media has

1129
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:11,380
been was so dismissive of UFOs no follow

1130
00:45:15,299 --> 00:45:13,569
up on Bigelow's possession of these

1131
00:45:16,170 --> 00:45:15,309
recovered materials like how do they

1132
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:16,180
just let it go

1133
00:45:20,279 --> 00:45:18,130
ya know follow up on elizondo's points

1134
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:20,289
like you Elizondo said these sightings

1135
00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:21,940
are unbelievable and we had no interest

1136
00:45:26,490 --> 00:45:24,460
in the higher-ups why like they're

1137
00:45:28,890 --> 00:45:26,500
incredible no one bothering to ask about

1138
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:28,900
the implications of a cover-up like in

1139
00:45:32,279 --> 00:45:30,130
other words all the work that's been

1140
00:45:34,650 --> 00:45:32,289
done since then has been done by private

1141
00:45:36,359 --> 00:45:34,660
researchers so it just tells me that the

1142
00:45:40,349 --> 00:45:36,369
establishment or corporate media's

1143
00:45:41,970 --> 00:45:40,359
treatment was is not serious and and I

1144
00:45:45,089 --> 00:45:41,980
asked myself why and I just think well

1145
00:45:47,819 --> 00:45:45,099
to the Stars Academy was already going

1146
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:47,829
as as full speed ahead as they were able

1147
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:50,079
to they just got Elizondo on board and

1148
00:45:55,799 --> 00:45:53,890
my opinion and no one has debunked me of

1149
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:55,809
this opinion so far yet is that the New

1150
00:46:01,680 --> 00:45:58,890
York Times got ahead of this because

1151
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:01,690
someone had to and if they weren't going

1152
00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:02,890
to cauterize the wound

1153
00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:05,470
then it could just continue and continue

1154
00:46:09,329 --> 00:46:07,150
in other words the New York Times you

1155
00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:09,339
you pretend to give up a secret by

1156
00:46:14,789 --> 00:46:12,279
concealing by by giving up some of it

1157
00:46:16,499 --> 00:46:14,799
and concealing the rest so like you and

1158
00:46:17,819 --> 00:46:16,509
I think that's what they did and like

1159
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,829
one of the examples is that the New York

1160
00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:19,359
Times said well yeah the program are in

1161
00:46:22,650 --> 00:46:20,440
force

1162
00:46:24,660 --> 00:46:22,660
but it's it's done they don't do it

1163
00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:24,670
anymore like that was the story like it

1164
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:27,400
ended in 2012 but in fact every analysis

1165
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:29,529
that's gone in depth to this has said

1166
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,030
it's still going

1167
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:33,520
but the New York Times says no seams

1168
00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:37,890
have been ended 2012 so so I think it's

1169
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:40,750
until I am persuaded otherwise my

1170
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:44,310
feeling is that this is an example of a

1171
00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:48,190
drip drip of disclosure but also really

1172
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:49,990
an example of just giving up as much as

1173
00:46:53,970 --> 00:46:52,150
you need to and then get the story to go

1174
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:53,980
away for as long as possible you you've

1175
00:46:59,700 --> 00:46:57,250
interviewed individuals who work for

1176
00:47:01,590 --> 00:46:59,710
alternative media outlets who are still

1177
00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:01,600
digging into this and even found a

1178
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,060
different name for the program so I mean

1179
00:47:08,220 --> 00:47:05,920
right there is showing that the

1180
00:47:10,020 --> 00:47:08,230
mainstream is kind of done with this you

1181
00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:10,030
know they did they said their piece for

1182
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:12,580
their own agenda but but we know that

1183
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:14,710
there are adamant researchers out there

1184
00:47:18,420 --> 00:47:17,110
who will dig deeper and maybe they

1185
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:18,430
weren't expecting that I don't know what

1186
00:47:23,790 --> 00:47:20,650
do you think no that's exactly right in

1187
00:47:25,290 --> 00:47:23,800
fact the researcher that I've I've

1188
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,300
talked about his name Paul Dean out of

1189
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,480
Australia and he's an amazing document

1190
00:47:32,190 --> 00:47:29,920
researcher really one of the best in the

1191
00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:32,200
world and he argued in one of his blog

1192
00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:34,150
pieces and I spoke with Paul that the

1193
00:47:38,730 --> 00:47:36,940
main name or the other name for this

1194
00:47:41,940 --> 00:47:38,740
program is known as advanced aerospace

1195
00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:41,950
weapons systems application program AWS

1196
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:44,430
ap and there's a couple of variations of

1197
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:47,440
that that are out there but it's it's a

1198
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:50,530
AWS ap and that's added a little bit of

1199
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:52,570
confusion to the mix as well so like but

1200
00:47:57,060 --> 00:47:53,650
you don't get this from the mainstream

1201
00:47:58,980 --> 00:47:57,070
establishment or the corporate media so

1202
00:48:00,810 --> 00:47:58,990
now there is some some good news that

1203
00:48:03,450 --> 00:48:00,820
came out a George Knapp I mentioned this

1204
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:03,460
in my lecture over at klas in Las Vegas

1205
00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:05,290
and of course that's been very very good

1206
00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:07,750
on UFOs for a long time

1207
00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:09,880
just less than a month ago and funding

1208
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,900
on May 18th his team obtained an

1209
00:48:17,850 --> 00:48:16,000
in-depth report which they said was

1210
00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:17,860
prepared by the military and for the

1211
00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:19,660
military which analyzes the tick-tack

1212
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:23,230
UFO stating that this is like way way

1213
00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:25,510
beyond anything that we are any of the

1214
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,550
nation have basically that it was so

1215
00:48:31,350 --> 00:48:29,200
advanced it made us capabilities

1216
00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:31,360
ineffective which is true that the

1217
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:33,190
tick-tack UFO from what we are learning

1218
00:48:38,190 --> 00:48:35,650
about it this object the key thing about

1219
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:38,200
is that flavor and his other the other

1220
00:48:40,890 --> 00:48:38,770
pilot

1221
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:40,900
we're told a vector into a particular

1222
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:43,570
rendezvous point the UFO was not there

1223
00:48:46,890 --> 00:48:44,530
at the time that they

1224
00:48:49,110 --> 00:48:46,900
were told to go there when they arrived

1225
00:48:51,210 --> 00:48:49,120
the object was there as if waiting for

1226
00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:51,220
them and this is significant because the

1227
00:48:57,420 --> 00:48:54,220
Navy communications are highly encrypted

1228
00:48:59,220 --> 00:48:57,430
all right so being able to defeat highly

1229
00:49:01,110 --> 00:48:59,230
encrypted communications by the US Navy

1230
00:49:03,150 --> 00:49:01,120
is important aside from the fact that

1231
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:03,160
they changed the encryption every 15

1232
00:49:08,580 --> 00:49:06,850
minutes this is really major and and of

1233
00:49:10,980 --> 00:49:08,590
course it was able to outperform their

1234
00:49:14,310 --> 00:49:10,990
top-of-the-line fighter jet the f-18 a

1235
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:14,320
Super Hornet so whatever this was now

1236
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:16,810
the one critique of Knapp's finding is

1237
00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:18,610
that people have argued it wasn't a

1238
00:49:21,810 --> 00:49:19,870
military report it might have been a

1239
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:21,820
bass report that is big low advanced

1240
00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:25,090
aerospace systems but even so it's a

1241
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:27,670
very interesting a very very interesting

1242
00:49:32,460 --> 00:49:29,950
report and I would assume you know in

1243
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:32,470
terms of the tick-tack UFO event as well

1244
00:49:38,310 --> 00:49:35,200
that the videos were getting from from

1245
00:49:41,010 --> 00:49:38,320
to the stars are only a portion of what

1246
00:49:43,110 --> 00:49:41,020
actually has reported that day right I

1247
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:43,120
mean there's no way it was only three

1248
00:49:46,830 --> 00:49:44,710
four five seconds long

1249
00:49:50,190 --> 00:49:46,840
no no you're exactly right Ryan and and

1250
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:50,200
so I've you know I just was this weekend

1251
00:49:52,890 --> 00:49:51,850
at the conference one of the people

1252
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:52,900
there was Peter lavinda

1253
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:55,210
and Peter Levin de co-authored the book

1254
00:49:59,640 --> 00:49:57,850
with Tunde long and he's associated with

1255
00:50:01,770 --> 00:49:59,650
to the Stars and let me just say I've

1256
00:50:04,650 --> 00:50:01,780
known Peter lavinda personally for the

1257
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:04,660
last seven years and have only the

1258
00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:06,430
highest respect for him he's an

1259
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:08,830
outstanding researcher with with nothing

1260
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,370
but integrity and that's a fact and so I

1261
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:14,800
asked Peter about about this and his

1262
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,210
answer was very simple he said yeah

1263
00:50:20,820 --> 00:50:18,640
that's true to the Stars has no control

1264
00:50:22,890 --> 00:50:20,830
over what gets Declassified or not

1265
00:50:25,740 --> 00:50:22,900
that's Pentagon's decision so the

1266
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:25,750
Pentagon did have does have longer

1267
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,330
versions of all of those videos and and

1268
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:29,680
of others as well that have not yet been

1269
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:31,870
released but longer versions of what we

1270
00:50:37,170 --> 00:50:35,650
have seen and their logic and we can

1271
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:37,180
accept or not accept that logic is a

1272
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:39,910
with held it because it longer sections

1273
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:42,250
would give up the infamous sources and

1274
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:43,930
methods of how they get their

1275
00:50:48,810 --> 00:50:46,330
intelligence and that's what they say

1276
00:50:50,610 --> 00:50:48,820
now that's not always true in my opinion

1277
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:50,620
I think sometimes they're holding back

1278
00:50:53,850 --> 00:50:52,210
content but I don't think this is a

1279
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:53,860
feature up to the stars I don't get the

1280
00:50:57,900 --> 00:50:56,770
idea that the to the stars are being coy

1281
00:51:00,240 --> 00:50:57,910
with their

1282
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,250
data for a while I wasn't sure I mean

1283
00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:01,839
honestly I'd heard a couple of different

1284
00:51:05,789 --> 00:51:03,670
things and wondered if to the Stars was

1285
00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:05,799
just holding things back but according

1286
00:51:11,609 --> 00:51:08,260
to Peter Levin dumb and I'm just going

1287
00:51:15,059 --> 00:51:11,619
to say I'm believing him on this there

1288
00:51:18,029 --> 00:51:15,069
they are doing everything they can to

1289
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:18,039
get the videos Declassified from the

1290
00:51:23,279 --> 00:51:20,559
Pentagon so that's that's their story

1291
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,289
and it's worth asking follow up with

1292
00:51:26,190 --> 00:51:25,119
Peter or if Tom DeLonge will ever do an

1293
00:51:29,130 --> 00:51:26,200
interview that would be great

1294
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:29,140
I cannot speak for these guys yeah I

1295
00:51:33,980 --> 00:51:30,910
don't think we're gonna see Tom anytime

1296
00:51:39,450 --> 00:51:33,990
soon after that joe rogan interview but

1297
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,460
that's another story unfortunately yeah

1298
00:51:42,930 --> 00:51:41,200
we've seen him sort of go back into the

1299
00:51:44,190 --> 00:51:42,940
shadows which is okay you know he's

1300
00:51:47,279 --> 00:51:44,200
gonna be working on the entertainment

1301
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:47,289
aspect of all this so that's that's okay

1302
00:51:50,970 --> 00:51:48,730
I you know there's a lot of people

1303
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:50,980
everyone has been beating up on to the

1304
00:51:57,210 --> 00:51:54,910
stars and and I don't know where I stand

1305
00:51:58,980 --> 00:51:57,220
on this right now I mean I'll probably I

1306
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:58,990
know I'm gonna get hell for this and the

1307
00:52:04,410 --> 00:52:01,839
YouTube comments below but I my attitude

1308
00:52:06,990 --> 00:52:04,420
is I don't know for sure that they're a

1309
00:52:08,579 --> 00:52:07,000
PSYOP I just don't know now it's as

1310
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:08,589
possible Tom DeLonge has been

1311
00:52:15,980 --> 00:52:12,010
manipulated in various ways what I

1312
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:15,990
definitely believe is like his attitude

1313
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:19,930
that the military are the are the real

1314
00:52:24,510 --> 00:52:22,089
white hats in all this is just not

1315
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:24,520
realistic it's not true also I mentioned

1316
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:26,410
this to Peter Levin des by the way and

1317
00:52:29,220 --> 00:52:27,430
his answer was look what do you expect

1318
00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:29,230
he's trying to cultivate these guys

1319
00:52:32,849 --> 00:52:30,700
you're not gonna cultivate them by

1320
00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:32,859
calling them you know evil incarnate you

1321
00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:34,630
want them to work with you I get that

1322
00:52:39,930 --> 00:52:37,270
what I will definitely say is that the

1323
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:39,940
establishment media part of it New York

1324
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:41,849
Times Washington Post all of the

1325
00:52:46,410 --> 00:52:44,319
integration and and that really happened

1326
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:46,420
Christopher Mellon who's one of the TTS

1327
00:52:54,089 --> 00:52:51,240
a guys he's the former CIA was I am told

1328
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:54,099
instrumental in getting Leslie Cain and

1329
00:53:00,000 --> 00:52:57,130
the New York Times on board so now if

1330
00:53:01,740 --> 00:53:00,010
that's true then you've got a direct

1331
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:01,750
connection to the stars with

1332
00:53:06,839 --> 00:53:04,089
establishment media and that's always

1333
00:53:08,819 --> 00:53:06,849
questionable to me because the media has

1334
00:53:10,829 --> 00:53:08,829
not left the mockingbirds system in

1335
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:10,839
other words operation Mockingbird CIA's

1336
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:12,310
media control

1337
00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:14,470
program that that's stronger than ever

1338
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:16,660
but again you know I was just listening

1339
00:53:20,070 --> 00:53:18,190
again to Peter Levin and I want to get

1340
00:53:21,930 --> 00:53:20,080
be fair to him his attitude is he says

1341
00:53:24,180 --> 00:53:21,940
look we know the mainstream media is a

1342
00:53:26,730 --> 00:53:24,190
corporate tool and it's an establishment

1343
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:26,740
tool his attitude is look if you want to

1344
00:53:31,470 --> 00:53:30,310
change public discussion on UFOs you

1345
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:31,480
have to go through the corporate media

1346
00:53:38,910 --> 00:53:35,250
so all right that's his position so

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00:53:40,190 --> 00:53:38,920
relating to to the Stars you know I'm

1348
00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:40,200
just waiting for them to come up with

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00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:42,220
something that makes sense to me as a

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00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:44,050
business model that has never made sense

1351
00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:46,450
oh yeah I mean they weren't even able to

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00:53:50,340 --> 00:53:48,040
raise a portion of what they were

1353
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,350
expecting which is unfortunate but yeah

1354
00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:53,280
I agree with you I think you know yeah I

1355
00:53:57,450 --> 00:53:55,240
look forward to where it goes

1356
00:54:00,030 --> 00:53:57,460
maybe DeLong will get his dream of

1357
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,040
building a spaceship of some sort to

1358
00:54:04,410 --> 00:54:02,800
rival Elon Musk but maybe not in the

1359
00:54:07,230 --> 00:54:04,420
meantime we might get some really cool

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00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,240
UFO Doc's and books and everything in

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00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:09,280
between I don't know I want to say this

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00:54:12,570 --> 00:54:10,870
I mean I met Tom DeLonge a couple of

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00:54:17,460 --> 00:54:12,580
years ago and I found him to be very

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00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:17,470
gracious and and sincere and I have no

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00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,450
reason to think it's otherwise so I

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00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:21,760
think that he's really doing what he

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00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:24,490
feels has been his best to move this

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00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:27,430
issue forward so they made a lot of

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00:54:30,930 --> 00:54:29,290
gaffes coming out of the gate with the

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00:54:33,660 --> 00:54:30,940
you know displaying the image of the

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00:54:35,490 --> 00:54:33,670
mylar balloon as a genuine UFO I'm like

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00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:35,500
how did you do that I've looked into

1373
00:54:39,390 --> 00:54:37,140
this and I'm I believe that it was a

1374
00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:39,400
total bush-league mistake

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00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:41,590
I absolutely believe I don't think it

1376
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:42,970
was disinfo I think they actually really

1377
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:46,030
genuinely screwed up big time and got

1378
00:54:51,210 --> 00:54:48,910
really embarrassed over it excited yeah

1379
00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:51,220
I agree I think they you know they were

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00:54:56,010 --> 00:54:53,380
there ready and raring to go and it just

1381
00:54:57,660 --> 00:54:56,020
but you know what if if if anything

1382
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,670
they'll learn from their mistakes so

1383
00:55:01,410 --> 00:54:59,920
we'll see we'll see well in terms of you

1384
00:55:03,180 --> 00:55:01,420
know what the future may hold rich I

1385
00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:03,190
know we don't have much time here left

1386
00:55:07,620 --> 00:55:05,350
but I did want to talk about a couple

1387
00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:07,630
other things before we wrap it up your

1388
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:10,870
new website I mean this yes yeah you

1389
00:55:15,090 --> 00:55:13,390
sprung this on us a few months ago with

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00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,100
exclusive content so tell us a little

1391
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:17,680
about Richard Dolan members before we go

1392
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:20,890
thanks Ryan yes Richard all members calm

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00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:23,650
this is a site now that it's about two

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00:55:26,220 --> 00:55:24,250
months old

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00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:26,230
it's really quite new and

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00:55:31,140 --> 00:55:28,690
I have put a great deal of energy and

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00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:31,150
effort into it I've got at this point

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00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:33,670
actually dozens of video and a unique

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00:55:39,090 --> 00:55:36,490
audio and blog entries that are up there

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00:55:40,770 --> 00:55:39,100
for members there's free content and I

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00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,780
mean there's things that I put up that I

1402
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:42,640
want the whole world to see but I've

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00:55:47,609 --> 00:55:44,770
decided look I want to create something

1404
00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:47,619
an exclusive web-based content if

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00:55:51,660 --> 00:55:50,080
someone's interested they can you know

1406
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:51,670
join up for a month or a year and become

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00:55:54,990 --> 00:55:53,170
a member and see what what's in it for

1408
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:55,000
them I found it to be a very very

1409
00:55:58,530 --> 00:55:56,530
positive experience I couldn't have a

1410
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,540
could not have done this without Tracy

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00:56:02,609 --> 00:56:00,160
she's been instrumental in helping me

1412
00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:02,619
organize this this is just a lesson and

1413
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:04,540
the fact that like you can't do things

1414
00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:06,850
alone you really need really good

1415
00:56:11,099 --> 00:56:09,550
positive support from people who are

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00:56:14,430 --> 00:56:11,109
close to you and thankfully I have that

1417
00:56:16,380 --> 00:56:14,440
now so as a result of that the Richard

1418
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:16,390
Elam members site is I just put up two

1419
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:19,690
new posts today including a lot of video

1420
00:56:25,830 --> 00:56:23,680
and a 1,300 word blog and so there's I

1421
00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:25,840
just I'm creating a lot of content I'm

1422
00:56:31,620 --> 00:56:27,160
trying to tweak this and figure out

1423
00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:31,630
what's the best way to give free content

1424
00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:33,790
to the world while making it worthwhile

1425
00:56:37,530 --> 00:56:35,830
for members and I think we're striking

1426
00:56:41,010 --> 00:56:37,540
that balance one of the things that I'm

1427
00:56:42,930 --> 00:56:41,020
doing is all by radio shows to the

1428
00:56:44,130 --> 00:56:42,940
Richard Olin show I'm just I've taken

1429
00:56:46,410 --> 00:56:44,140
control and putting them up on my

1430
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:46,420
YouTube channel every week so that's

1431
00:56:49,950 --> 00:56:48,310
something for everyone and a lot of the

1432
00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:49,960
articles that I write I put up free of

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00:56:52,349 --> 00:56:51,190
charge but I would encourage anyone

1434
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:52,359
who's interested go to Richard all

1435
00:56:56,820 --> 00:56:54,609
members and it's actually turning out

1436
00:56:59,550 --> 00:56:56,830
better better than I had hoped it would

1437
00:57:01,320 --> 00:56:59,560
be and and believe me I wanted it to be

1438
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:01,330
excellent from the beginning and I I

1439
00:57:06,210 --> 00:57:03,310
actually will say that I think it's

1440
00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:06,220
exceeded my expectations so I'm gonna

1441
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:07,750
get more of that going in the future

1442
00:57:11,970 --> 00:57:09,970
that's awesome and I mean the other

1443
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:11,980
website Richard Dolan press is where you

1444
00:57:18,270 --> 00:57:16,000
you house your own publications and the

1445
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:18,280
publication of other authors as well you

1446
00:57:23,220 --> 00:57:21,369
exist on rich you'll impress I do I have

1447
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:23,230
you to thank for putting me on the map

1448
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:25,690
somewhere in the skies is there and is

1449
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:28,990
is really one of the best most unique

1450
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:31,510
books that I published with Richard will

1451
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:33,040
impress over the last five years without

1452
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:36,250
a doubt I love your book and your your

1453
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:38,530
work is exactly the kind of work that I

1454
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:39,760
like to promote it's

1455
00:57:44,490 --> 00:57:42,730
innovative original content that does

1456
00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:44,500
things that other other books haven't

1457
00:57:48,990 --> 00:57:46,750
done and in your case you you did

1458
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:49,000
something that far as I can tell is an

1459
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:51,010
utterly unique effort you know a

1460
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:54,130
journalist a journalistic exploration of

1461
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,010
a range of experiences you have the UFO

1462
00:58:00,900 --> 00:57:59,440
phenomenon and how what they experienced

1463
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:00,910
and how it affected them I think my god

1464
00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:03,370
you know what a need there is in our

1465
00:58:07,290 --> 00:58:05,470
culture for a work like that and I'm so

1466
00:58:09,180 --> 00:58:07,300
grateful that you did it and that I was

1467
00:58:12,060 --> 00:58:09,190
honored to be able to publish your book

1468
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:12,070
well thank you so much I mean yeah I

1469
00:58:15,690 --> 00:58:14,170
mean if you can't contribute something

1470
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,700
new what's the point so that's the way I

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00:58:19,830 --> 00:58:17,920
look at it but no I I can't thank you

1472
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:19,840
enough for those very kind words well

1473
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:24,070
and yeah but Richard Elam press has a

1474
00:58:27,930 --> 00:58:25,930
lot of other very interesting authors

1475
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:27,940
without a doubt and it's got a lot of my

1476
00:58:31,740 --> 00:58:30,490
older essays and articles that I've

1477
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:31,750
written over the years they're kind of

1478
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:33,910
legacy there so yeah I mean those are

1479
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:35,440
the two and anytime there's a new book

1480
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:36,810
published booklet publish whatever

1481
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:39,370
that's listed on the Richard Allen press

1482
00:58:43,380 --> 00:58:41,890
website as well perfect and do you have

1483
00:58:46,110 --> 00:58:43,390
any upcoming events or anything you'd

1484
00:58:48,450 --> 00:58:46,120
like to give us before we go well you

1485
00:58:50,730 --> 00:58:48,460
are just so so considerate of all of

1486
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:50,740
that yes I've got a few that are coming

1487
00:58:56,070 --> 00:58:53,410
up so I just came back from we did a

1488
00:58:58,290 --> 00:58:56,080
almost a month in Australia and contact

1489
00:59:01,440 --> 00:58:58,300
in the desert but in the near future I

1490
00:59:03,870 --> 00:59:01,450
will be in Toronto or near Toronto at

1491
00:59:05,970 --> 00:59:03,880
what is called the alien cosmic Expo

1492
00:59:07,470 --> 00:59:05,980
that's the Toronto Airport Marriott

1493
00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:07,480
hotel in fact if you go to Richard all

1494
00:59:12,060 --> 00:59:10,510
members calm the events is freely

1495
00:59:14,070 --> 00:59:12,070
available people can just go check it

1496
00:59:16,350 --> 00:59:14,080
out get the events tab a week after that

1497
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:16,360
I'll be in still in Canada in Vancouver

1498
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:19,090
for the conference known as architects

1499
00:59:22,650 --> 00:59:20,530
of the new paradigm and my very good

1500
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:22,660
friend Jordan Pease has organized that

1501
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:24,160
that's always interesting

1502
00:59:28,410 --> 00:59:26,110
Danny Sheehan will be there Stephen

1503
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:28,420
Bassett will be there and a number of

1504
00:59:35,130 --> 00:59:30,690
other very interesting post disclosure

1505
00:59:36,570 --> 00:59:35,140
world type events and beyond that my

1506
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:36,580
goodness we have a summer and who knows

1507
00:59:40,850 --> 00:59:39,280
what things all the things going on in

1508
00:59:43,230 --> 00:59:40,860
September but that's so far away

1509
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:43,240
exactly yeah let's not rush anything

1510
00:59:48,930 --> 00:59:46,240
rich your your insight your historical

1511
00:59:50,550 --> 00:59:48,940
knowledge or intuition on what we can

1512
00:59:53,009 --> 00:59:50,560
expect as we move forward with the

1513
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:53,019
future of UFO studies and beyond it's

1514
00:59:56,909 --> 00:59:55,569
always amazed me so I have to thank you

1515
00:59:59,219 --> 00:59:56,919
for coming on somewhere in this guise

1516
01:00:00,749 --> 00:59:59,229
what was such a pleasure in Ryan you

1517
01:00:03,479 --> 01:00:00,759
were so nice which is letting me ramble

1518
01:00:05,759 --> 01:00:03,489
thank you that's it for this week's

1519
01:00:07,859 --> 01:00:05,769
episode again if you'd like exclusive

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01:00:17,189 --> 01:00:14,140
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01:00:19,229 --> 01:00:17,199
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